you learn the laws. the time has proven, anderson, since the late '90s when this bill originally passed that chl holders in texas are very responsible citizens. in fact people who do not have a chl are 16 times more likely to commit a crime. >> anderson, if i may -- >> less than a fraction of a percent have ever been involved in a crime. these are responsible adults. not toting guns around. >> you mention our troops. more are dying from suicide this past year than in combat. >> you're a better journalist than to go down that rabbit trap. >> i'm asking a question. i'm not getting into an argument. i'm just stating a fact. >> no, you're asking me about an issue that has nothing to do with carrying guns on a college campus. >> suicide doesn't, the high number of suicides on college campuses has nothing to do with access to firearms? >> if that's the best you have to debate this issue, that's a sad statement. >> i'm not debating with you, sir. i'm asking a question. if you can't answer, that's fine. you can